I bought these for my son for Scout Camp in February. I wanted warm, wind and waterproof, and these delivered.he said it was like wearing a sleeping bag on his legs! They came back absolutely ditched. Cacked in mud, stinking of mud and screwed up at the bottom of him bag and I was worried that if never get them decent again. Chucked them through the wash (on their own no detergent) and they are good as new! Highly recommend these.